What makes a good drama? Lakorn stereotypes

So I’ve just finished multiple dramas in September, and now I’m in a bit of a drama slump. Without watching many dramas, I’ve little to blog about as my ideas usually come from what I’ve been watching. Hopefully that’ll change later in October!

But I have been thinking about what makes a good drama. Oftentimes, I’ve dropped lakorns I’ve considered ‘bad,’ but what are my criteria and why? So I thought I’ll start with looking at lakorn cliches or stereotypes. Usually, if a lakorn has these stereotypes, and don’t contribute anything new, like great couple chemistry or changing up the stereotypes to be a little different, it’s boring and I drop it.

Lakorn Stereotypes

Source: Bangkok Post 2013

For anyone who wants to learn more about the history of lakorns in Thailand, this is a great read in Bangkok Post from 2013 and it’s where I got the poster from.

  • There are 24 stereotypes discussed here. I thought it would be fun to compare/contrast two 2020 lakorns to see which one is less stereotypical.
  • But what makes a lakorn less stereotypical can also be about what changes are in it, as well as the stereotypes it has.
  • I’ve decided to divide this up into categories, namely people and actions.

Lakorn Comparison

Lakorn Stereotype (from poster)Marn Bang Jai (2020)Mia Archeep (2020)
1. Snoopy maidHeck yes. No maids really
2. Camp ladyboyNONO
3. Camp gay manNOYes?
4. 2 women fighting over manYesYes
5. Mia noi – MistressNONO
6. Mia luang – Main wifeNONO
7. Nang ek disguised as manNONO
8. Someone with evil eyeProbablyProbably
9. Mean mom-in-lawNONO
10. Maid sitting on floorYesNO
11. Man having more than 1 loverYesNO
12. Mansion with Roman columnsYesMaybe?
13. GossipingYes Yes YesYes Yes Yes
14. Someone being poisonedNONO
15. Villains saying evil plans out loudYesYes
16. Nang rai drugging pra’ekYesNO
17. Nang’ek sleeping in fake eyelashesYesYes
18. Nang rai screamingYesYes
19. Nang’ek disguising herself as manNONO
20. Someone being pushed down stairsNONO
21. A slap followed by a kissYesNO
22. RapeYes, not nang’ekNO
23. Snuggling under white sheetYesYes
24. Pra’ek with overseas education, naïve about life.NOUnsure

Marn Bang Jai (2020) got 10 or 11 no’s out of 24 stereotypes, while Mia Archeep (2020) got 14 strong negatives, with 3 maybes so Mia Archeep (2020) has less stereotypes based on this chart. Yet on mydramalist,com, Mia Archeep (2020) has a rating of 7.4 and Marn Bang Jai (2020) has 7.8 so more people liked it (and watched it).

Marn Bang Jai (2020)

Both had their strong points. I really liked how strong the bonds were of siblings in both lakorns, but Mia Archeep (2020) felt like an updated lakorn plot, complete with employees instead of maids and modern apartments, while Marn Bang Jai (2020) harkens back to older lakorns in most ways, I did like the fact that both the nang’ek and her sister had jobs in it. In Mia Archeep (2020), the nang’ek’s relationship with pra’ek matches more with modern norms.

Mia Archeep (2020)

Stereotypes (which aren’t necessarily bad) can be a start in determining how good a drama really is, but it is by no means the only criteria or even the most important criteria you should follow. After all, we haven’t even considered things such as writing, directing, acting, production values, and more. But it is a step in the right direction at taking a more critical look at what you watch.

What lakorns can you think of that match most of these stereotypes? Or match it the least?

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki

Meeting Monday – Dropping/Put on Hold Dramas 2020!

I’ve been trying to kickstart my rewatch campaign, but it’s been slow going as there’s so much new stuff out there! Plus, when I’ve looked back at my pile of dramas put on hold/dropped, I realized it may not be as easy to pick up where I left off. And series? Forget about it. Some tips and thoughts about dropping dramas and what dramas I dropped in 2020 (hint, hint, there were a lot of them!)

Dropping Dramas

There have been some recent articles on dropping dramas, like this very nice article here I could totally relate to. I found I paused and/or dropped dramas a lot depending upon a variety of factors including time, mood, what’s going on in the drama and so on. Here’s some questions to ask yourself if you’re not sure you want to drop and drama or not.

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To Drop/Put on Hold a Drama or Not?

  1. Are you ever planning on finishing the drama?
  2. Will you regret not finishing it?
  3. Are you at a place in the drama where you can easily resume it and still know what’s going on?
  4. If the drama’s plot is getting you down, like there’s a case of noble idiocy you can’t stand or a big misunderstanding, what about just watching 1 or 2 more episodes and then that plot point should be over.

If you answer yes or maybe to any of these questions, I would look at the amount of episodes left and see if I can just watch a couple more episodes if that would help me pick it up later more easily and/or get me past a part in the drama I don’t like, or find boring or stupid.

2020 Dropped Dramas


The King: Eternal Monarch
 (2020)
– was a drama I was sooo looking forwards to. I love the main leads, Lee Min Ho and Kim Go Eun and wanted to see them together. I watched 2 episodes and it was all rather boring and predictable. I was not impressed by the slow pacing of the plot, which barely started to move in episode 2. And the romantic chemistry between the two leads – ugh, no. Just no.

Why you might like it anyway? If you’re a big fan of the main leads, or you’re craving more dramas about parallel universes, fantasy and mystery, the production values are great here. If you’re craving epic romance, eh not here.

Tawan Arb Dao 2020 – I watched 3 episodes of this lakorn out of 18. I don’t think it’s bad, but it is rather mediocre in most areas. I liked the plot, the premise, however Kem Hussawee as the male pra’ek just came off as too young and not experienced enough to pull off the gravitas needed in the role. I mean, his brother is dead and he’s pretending to be him as he investigates his death! That’s… a whole lot of emotion there. You really need a seasoned actor who can make this role his own.

Why you might like it anyway? Hmm, that’s hard to say, if you’re looking for a revenge lakorn about twins, well this is the only one that came out this year, 😂. No seriously, I think if you watched it, you might watch the whole lakorn to find out who the main villain(s) were.

Dance of the Phoenix (2020) – This Chinese drama had a favorite actor Xu Kai Cheng in it, and a forced marriage, so it was catnip to me!!! Until I watched the first episode and saw the lead girl using a disguise which made her uglier (and that involved having darker skin.) At that point, I said, sJ*i4npi& or something like that and moved on to other dramas, and there are a ton of them out there!

Why you might like it anyway? It definitely has colorism in it, so if you’re fine with that, then I don’t know what to say. The idea that having darker skin makes you ugly is such a no starter for me. Plus, there are tons of other Chinese dramas out there that have come out with similar plots that it makes no sense to me why anyone would still want to watch this. No point wasting time on a drama with colorism in it when you could be watching The Romance of Tiger and Rose (2020) and tons of other Chinese dramas set in historical times with marriage in them like Marry Me (2020), Fake Princess (2020), The Sleepless Princess (2020), and Oh! My Sweet Liar! (2020).

Older woman/younger man

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki

Monday’s Meeting: Subbing Now And What to Watch

Well, I was busy watching dramas and finishing them last week, so now I’m looking for what to watch next. I just finished Mia Archeep, The Romance of Tiger and Rose and Missing Persons (all were pretty great!) and now what? I’m still slow watching some dramas, but nothing I feel that compelled to watch. Time to catch up on what’s being subbed now in the subbing community. Maybe I’ll just try to finish more dramas this month, but regardless, I see a number of subbers are going back and subbing older lakorns, which, Yeah! I like that.

THIPPY

Thippy picked up two currently airing lakorns, revenge lakorn Fah Mee Tawan (2020) and horror lakorn Ngao Boon and is continuing to sub an older lakorn from before, Prao (2014) or Proud in English.

Fah Mee Tawan (2020) – Paul hates Net, the woman who harmed and took the position of his mother, kicked her out of the house causing her to die in pain. 20 years later, Paul returns and finds Net owns the jewelry company owned by him. In revenge, Paul deliberately seduces Net. But Paul falls in love with Naen, the girl Net raised at the suggestion of Paul’s father, although she doesn’t love Naen. Singkorn is Net’s lover, but he has plans for Naen. Singkorn has known Naen for many years and has never given up on his intentions to Naen, which makes Naen feel very awkward. (Source: Lakorn World @ WordPress)

(Source: MyDramaList)

Ngao Boon – Sita lost her father and must face the bad people that intend to steal her inheritance. The good thing she has her boyfriend Worachon as her moral support. Besides the bad people, she must also face her parents who became pretas (hungry ghosts) who received their karma with torture. The only way they can be free is for Sita to release all 12 types of pretas. How will Sita find a solution? And will forgiveness be the answer to their freedom or not? (Source:ohsweetHaven)

(Source: MyDramaList)

NEKO

Neko also picked up a currently airing drama, Kwam Song Jum See Jang (2020), but is also continuing to sub an older lakorn, Baan Sila Dang (2015) which is notable as one of the few twin lakorns that actually feature twin actresses!

Kwam Song Jum See Jang (2020) – Pang is an ordinary girl who fights for justice, kind-hearted, and fights the obstacles that life brings her. Pang has an older brother that she loves dearly, but was separated since she was a child. It’s been over a decade since Pang’s older brother disappeared from her life. She has prayed throughout the years that she will be able to see him again. On the other hand, Phu is a stern and serious person with a career, family, status but with just one exception; no memory of his childhood. One day, Pang meets Phu at a company she starts working at thinking that her co-worker is a good and warm-hearted person. She confesses to him that her first impression of him was that she thought he was her older brother, but puts it aside. In the end, she discovers that he’s her older brother. What will happen to these siblings? (Source: Thairath)

(Source: MyDramaList)

MUSE

Muse is currently English subbing just one lakorn right now, Duay Rang Atitharn (2018), after finishing a slew of currently airing lakorns, including Leh Game Rak (2020), Mia Archeep (2020) and Peek Hong (2020). Hats off to this team. They also will begin subbing a number of lakorns airing later in September and early next month such as Roy Leh Marnya (2020).

Duay Rang Atitharn (2018) – Worada is a naive and weak young woman. She’s the daughter of a rich man and his unlawful wife, even though her mother was the first wife. Her father has a married wife (legal one) and has another daughter who is younger than Worada. Worada’s step-mother and half-sister hate her. Her half-sister hates her mostly also because she loves Krit, Worada’s lover.

One day, Krit tells Worada that he wants to see her at night. That night she was waiting for Krit and was hit on the head without knowing who did it. When she wakes up, she finds herself inside the underground shelter (that she and Krit accidently discovered and kept it as a secret). She thinks that Krit wanted to kill her. Inside the shelter, she is hungry, cold and tired. Before she dies, she makes a strong vow that if she is born again, she will be a much stronger person and seek revenge against the people who hurt her. Then she dies.

Worada was born again as Nattamon. Nattamon is a girl who has a supernatural power. She is a very strong girl, but always has nightmares. When she grows up, she finds out why she was reborn and starts to seek revenge. When she meets Krit again (he is in his 40’s while Nattamon is in her 20’s), she thinks that he is the person who tried to kill her. Meanwhile, Krit has been single ever since Worada died and is happy to see the woman he always loved came back. (Source: AsianFuse Wiki)

(Source: MyDramaList)

Roy Leh Marnya (2020) – Pitcha a girl whose personality is confident, modern, and outgoing, moreover, she is the CEO of an organizing company. However, she was really unlucky because her husband was really playboy and throughout her life, she waited for the time that her bad husband turns to a good and loyal husband. When she finally realized that her husband will never change, she decides that she doesn’t want to be together with the men with no loyalty and gets pursues a divorce.

Ramin is a smart lawyer who is helping Pitcha divorce her bad husband. While Ramin is helping Pitcha, he falls in love with her and finds out that Pitcha was his childhood best friend. Even though Ramin loves Pitcha, Ramin motto for love was not achieving instead it was giving. As Pitcha faces many difficulties throughout her married life, she is really scared to start her new life with love. So will Ramin and Pitcha get happy marriage life at the end? (Source: Collin Hypercuz at MyDramaList)

(Source: OhSweetHaven)

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki

What to Watch

I’m still watching Stranger 2 (2020), but the plot is so riddled with legal terms and maneuvers that honestly I know I’m missing a lot of the nuances of what’s happening. This is one drama that you have to rewatch to gain a full understanding of. I might still continue watching Prom Pissawat, and So Wayree, but I’m not sure I have anything more to say about either drama.

Was going to finish Prom Pissawat since I’m halfway through it, but really not feeling it right now.

I do want to finish Likit Haeng Jan and 2017’s Korean drama Black, or maybe Ra Raerng Fai or Plerng Prang Tian.

I’ve barely watched any Japanese doramas this year, so I do want to start more, maybe a short 4 episode drama like Kokoro no Kizu wo Iyasu to Iu Koto. I’ll probably also catch a few episodes of Fah Mee Tawan (2020), Kwam Song Jum See Jang (2020) and/or Duay Rang Atitharn (2018), but I doubt I’ll watch these series in full. So that’s my plans for the rest of September. Lots of exciting dramas I’m looking forwards to in October!

Monday Meeting – Watching Now and Blogging Updates

It’s been a year since I started Lakorn View and I’ve been enjoying myself, for the most part. But I do want to change up some things, so I do want to give an update on what I want to change regarding this blog. Also, watching lots of different shows at varying rates. Read on for my take of the good, the bad and the ugly (and yeah, I’m talking bout you, So Wayree). For now, I’m just using this space to mourn the ending of It’s Okay to Not Be Okay and talk about what I’m watching now.

Blogging News

So this year, I do want to continue blogging, but I also want to make sure my content has meaning. Over the past year, I’ve grown to be more engaged politically, and have really changed in some ways, thanks in part to COVID19. I don’t feel in point in blogging about dramas, lakorns, etc. that means nothing to me and are of little interest. And I want to talk more about what I’m watching, so I’m going to be using more social media sites like instagram, etc. from now on. So in the future, expect this:

  • More content looking at lakorns/dramas/movies/whatever through a focus on social issues, political issues, religious issues.
  • A variety of dramas, including lakorns, but also anything that catches my attention.
  • Increased social media presence, my instagram is here. I’ll also probably post to twitter and/or facebook as well about what I’m watching, blog updates and so on.

Watching Now

Synopsis: Six survivors of a car accident are trapped in a mysterious river valley where hair-raising events ensue. What is the shocking secret in the valley? The lone survivors of a deadly accident have their own secrets to hide. Unable to treat each other with sincerity, they become increasingly suspicious as tensions rise. As they try to find a way out of their ordeal, they experience strange circumstances. Escape may seem impossible yet they continue to make a desperate attempt in the hopes of salvation. (Source: Chinesedrama.info)

Missing Persons (2020) Wow! This show is amazing! Why aren’t more people talking about this show? This is a Chinese drama and in each episode, another piece of mystery is unfolded. We get to know the characters, one by one and how they are connected. And there are mysteries abound. A river of cans of peaches. A mysterious flood that arrives at set times. A buried body. I haven’t finished the series yet, so honestly, don’t know what’s going on here. But it is a good thing! This show really keeps you guessing and it’s already finished at 12 episodes. Definitely recommend this one to anyone seeking a good mystery/thriller, haven’t finished it yet, but this looks like it will definitely end up on my best of 2020 list. The GOOD

I really want to see more of these two and their interactions.

Stranger 2 (2020) started in August and I’ve watched 6 out of 16 episodes. It’s different from the first season as the main focus this time seems to be on the war between prosecutors and the police, each side trying to dig up dirt on the other side to gain leverage. It’s all very Machiavellian, you really have to pay attention to keep up with what’s going on. I like the show, but I feel like I should have watched Stranger again to better prepare myself as I’ve forgotten the show largely. My recommendation? Watch it if you’ve seen the first show and want to know more about South Korea’s criminal justice system. Also know you’ll have to pay attention to the drama or you’ll get lost on what’s happening. The GOOD

Mia Archeep (2020)

Mia Archeep (2020) We’re nearing the final stretch in this drama, and I’m continuing to enjoy it, full stop! It’s a solid romantic lakorn that shakes things up a little as a lakorn, like having a heroine who smirks at the nang’rai and in the relationships. I find I’m enjoying the fact that just about all the characters have warm, loving relationships with other people, their family members, friends. The 2nd male lead has an adorable brother who helps him at times. The pra’ek has a loving mother and father and bratty sister. Nang’ek has a close relationship with her father and close friend. Even the nang’rai has her friend, who even sometimes tells her when she’s going to far (kinda shaky on that). Even one of the main villains of the piece has a great family, if only she appreciated them more than getting money and power. Compare the relationships here to the toxic ones in Prom Pissawat

I know a lot of people prefer the 2nd male lead (and I like him too and want to see him starring as the main lead in more lakorns), but the pra’ek isn’t as awful as the one in So Wayree (2020). He has LEGIT complaints about the nang’ek’s behavior, even though that doesn’t justify his behavior (he definitely used his position of power over the nang’ek to get her to live with him and so on). Unlike in other lakorns, the pra’ek WAS being deceived by the nang’ek, even if she had good reasons for not telling him who she really is. THE GOOD

Prom Pissawat

I debated dropping Prom Pissawat, and almost decided to do so. This is just a bundle of cliches with little to no attempt to elevate this beyond the mediocre. But then I realized I’m more than halfway through the lakorn, which is 16 episodes, so I may continue watching this every once in a while.

Not sure what else to say, I don’t find the chemistry between the leads to be that great, but there is definitely a lot of kissing, shouting and slapping going around, so if you like the slap and kiss genre, the clingy and possessive male who chases the female, this is that drama. THE BAD

Upcoming lakorn So Wayree (2020)

So Wayree (2020) This drama. Ugh. I tried, but I couldn’t really wrap my head around the nang’ek’s sudden love for this dude. Like, say what? Did I miss something? I just don’t think I can continue, plus I really thought the lakorn would try to rehabilitate the rapist H, or give some other more reasonable reason for what he did, yet 7 episodes (24 15 total), I don’t see it. THE UGLY

What are you watching now? In the future?

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki

Monday Meeting – Rape and So Wayree

So I guess I took a week off the blog, (I actually had posts scheduled in advance cuz I knew I’d be busy this week, but it turned out I had the wrong dates scheduled, 😅 OOPS.). I did manage to watch the six episodes out of So Wayree (2020), and oh boy, where to begin? The very first episode is soo problematic, I continued watching hoping there was a twist or something that would redeem the show. Was there? Eh, not really. MASSIVE SPOILERS for first 6 episodes of So Wayree (2020) ahead. And yes, I will be talking about rape, so trigger warning for those who may be troubled by it.

Myth: Rape and sexual assault are about sexual attraction and gratification.

Fact: Rape and sexual assault are all about control and domination.

https://prevent.richmond.edu/prevention/education/rape-myths.html
So Wayree (2020)

Synopsis: Two hotel moguls, once family friends since the grandparents generation now sworn enemies, are fighting over who will reign supreme. Prinoot never thought that he would be part of the hatred. Although his father is the son in law of Sirimontra, his mom was only a mistress who was abandoned in America. Growing up he never knew what having a father was like. Pramida is the only heiress to the famous Emporium real estate mogul. She was pulled into this warring game after being drugged and sent to Prinoot as ransom. 4 years later, she came back with a set of twins but she told everyone that those were her siblings. Prinoot and Pramida meet again but standing on opposite sides of the line as sworn enemies. Although they have the twins, not as chains of love but chains of enemies that tied them together unwillingly. (Source: asianfuse.net)

Summary of Episodes 1-6

Myth: Rape happens only to “certain” types of women.

Fact: Any person of any gender, age, race, class, religion, occupation, physical ability, sexual identity, or appearance can be raped. The perpetrator does not choose the victim because they are young, pretty, or provocatively dressed; the perpetrator chooses the victim who is vulnerable. 

Source: https://prevent.richmond.edu/prevention/education/rape-myths.html
Mitra (played by Mookda Narinrak)

So let’s begin with the story in episode 1. We see the heroine Mitra (played by Mookda Narinrak) is having a graduation party with her close friends, they’re taking pictures and I guess later they go to a bar in her father’s hotel where they drink nonalcoholic drinks. Meanwhile, it seems like the “hero” Parin (Kem Hussawee) is watching her from afar. One of Mitra’s so-called friends, Naphasiri, drugs Mitra’s drink and then we see Mitra being carried/dragged by Naphasiri (Kochakorn Songsangterm) to a hotel room, and Parin takes over. There is also money exchanged and words between Naphasiri and Parin. There are some bed scenes and Mitra wakes up with Parin next to her and she has no idea what happened. She leaves as quickly as possible and goes away to cry. So basically what happened was Parin paid Naphasiri as a pimp for Mitra’s services, never mind the fact that it’s obvious Mitra is drunk and has no clue what is happening. This is rape by any definition. I hoped I was wrong about this interpretation of what happened, but so far, nope, I’m not.

Kochakorn Songsangterm as Naphasiri

And in the next episodes, we see Mitra going overseas to live with her aunt, learning she is pregnant, having twins and putting them up for adoption, only to change her mind and have her aunt adopt them. She comes back to Thailand to help her dad run his company, which is in direct competition with Parin’s dad’s company. There she meets Parin again, and he chases after her, she tries to play him and keep him from finding out her secrets, while gathering admirers, and enemies.

Myth: If you wouldn’t have been drinking, you wouldn’t have been sexually assaulted. 

Fact: Alcohol is a weapon that some perpetrators use to control their victim and render them helpless. As part of their plan, a perpetrator may encourage the victim to use alcohol, or identify an individual who is already incapacitated. Alcohol is not a cause of rape; it is only one of many tools that perpetrators use. 

Source: https://prevent.richmond.edu/prevention/education/rape-myths.html
Kem Hussawee as Parin

We also learn a lot about Parin in six episodes. Apparently, according to his friend, he has a reputation with the ladies. Parin thinks he’s in love with Mitra, whose name I’m not even sure he knows until a couple of episodes in, spends years pining over his lost love, 🙄 without any sort of realization apparently that what he did was rape her. So he is pleased when he sees her again, she not so much. Parin attempts to rationalize what he did by saying that she was asking for it, that he thought she was for sale and well she put herself in a position to be drunk and therefore whatever happened to her, happened. In the later episodes 5 and 6, we see Parin seem to realize that he was mistaken about her, she is a good person, not a slut like he thought and she wasn’t a drunk whore slept with anyone for money like her friend said. He starts to try to help her behind the scenes in episode 6, so on.

Rape in So Wayree

There are sooo many problems with this lakorn, I don’t even know where to begin.

Photo by Josie Stephens on Pexels.com

Myth: Women shouldn’t go out alone at night as they are likely to get raped.

Fact: Only one in 10 of rapes are committed by ‘strangers’. 

Source: https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/myths-vs-realities/
  1. Being careless/making a mistake doesn’t excuse rape. First, there was a moment in the drama where Mitra’s father learns what happened and he says to Mitra, you were guilty because you were careless and Parin says something similar, that she put herself in a situation like that by being drunk. 🥵There’s so much wrong with that. Nobody can be careful all the time, we’re human, we’re going to make mistakes. So if by his metric, we happened to have a car break down in a bad neighborhood, or we overslept and got to work late and we had to stay late because of that and something happened to us, we were raped or hurt, that’s our fault? Those things happened to me, fortunately I was safe, but I guess I shouldn’t be since I wasn’t being careful enough. NOBODY is capable of being careful, proactive or mistake free 100% or even more than 60% of the time I would say. We’re only human. We’re not robots.
  2. Not being a virgin doesn’t excuse rape. Parin is told by Naphasiri that Mitra has slept with lots of guys and I guess that gave him the green light to rape because he says or implies numerous times that he thought she is/was a slut (even though there was blood on the bed after the rape). Regardless, whether she or anyone is a virgin or not doesn’t and shouldn’t give anyone leeway to rape them. Lakorns are notorious for this really. Often times, we see the ‘bad girls’ in lakorns, like in Marn Bang Jai being raped and she is never saved by anyone. Many lakorns have the good virginal girl, the nang’ek in situations where there’s an attempted rape and she’s usually saved by the hero (aka Prom Pissawat). The main exception to this is if the hero tries and/or rapes the heroine himself (no saving nang’ek from that!) and most slap and kiss lakorns are like that, with the rape mostly resulting in a romantic relationship and a happy ending. (And yeah, that’s a whole another discussion I don’t have space to write about now).
  3. Being drunk (or not) doesn’t excuse rape. Uh, do I even need to explain this? In fact, I would say being drunk means you can’t really give consent, so having sex with someone who’s drunk is a no-no. Mitra doesn’t know what happened, the lakorn makes it plain she and her friends were not drinking (though even if they were, that still wouldn’t excuse raping her), and her friend drugged her, but so far only the friend knows this and most assumed she was drunk, including Parin.
  4. Personal responsibility – a double standard. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use our brains that God gave us to protect ourselves, that’s just common sense of course. Yes, we should be careful where we are and what we do and educate ourselves, but this same argument is NEVER used for the rapist. Parin never seems to think about his own responsibility to like not rape someone, to make sure they are consenting to sex and oh, maybe actually use his brain at times. Instead, he and others rationalize their behavior so much it’s ridiculous. Parin’s father hears about the incident and basically claps him on the back and says good job, that Parin won’t be hurt at all from people knowing he is promiscuous. So Mitra should have been careful, but Parin did a good job, according to the views in this lakorn.

In conclusion

I want to make it clear that these views or myths about rape are widespread in every country to some degree and in many dramas besides lakorns (Koreans had to deal with a number of real life rape issues regarding a number of popular actors like Kang Ji Hwan recently), so this isn’t just a Thailand/lakorn problem, it’s much, much more pervasive than that. But this is a blog mostly based on lakorns, and So Wayree is a currently airing lakorn that features rape, so it seems like the ideal time to tackle this subject.

The lakorn tries to redeem Parin, he’s a great son, good at his job, likes kids, but all I can think is the dude paid someone to have sex, a drunk person at that. This doesn’t seem like my idea of a good person, or even a bad person. That seems pure evil. And yet, I liked Kawee and Sawan Biang (2008), so why does this bother me more? I’m not sure, maybe because it’s the first picture we get of Parin as a rapist. Or, quite frankly, while both Kem and Mookda are okay actors, neither of them are on the same level as Ken or Ann in Sawan Biang. Maybe also most rapes in lakorns are framed as being impulsive, spur of the moment fits of anger/jealousy or both and that’s what makes this cold blooded rape seem especially heinous.

Good chemistry, but the story is a no no.

Regardless, this lakorn really leaves me with a very bad taste in my mouth. There are some things to like here, kids are cute, Parin’s half brother Chanathip might be a lazy spoiled rich kid, but he’s also treats his girlfriend with respect, is horrified by Parin’s treatment of Mitra and seems an overall nice guy. And Mitra seems like she may become a stronger person or at least she’s trying to become one. I also like how Parin’s friend Gun tells him some home truths about his behavior.

Boss Chanakan Poonsiriwong as Chanathip

But this lakorn embraces and justifies the many rape tropes and myths out there without trying to challenge them in any way. There’s these underlying assumptions that we’re supposed to be okay with and that’s not right. I really don’t know if I can keep watching it, as it doesn’t seem likely to change, but I see a number of people raving about this lakorn, so maybe I will watch more to write more about this lakorn. It is not okay.

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki

Monday Meeting – Watching Now and future

I’ve been debating actually using Instagram (I never have really, just go there to look at other actors) as it occurred to me I would love to give a little feedback on what I’m watching as I watch episodes by episode, even when I don’t have a lot to say. For now, I’m just using this space to mourn the ending of It’s Okay to Not Be Okay and talk about what I’m watching now.

Watching Now

That’s the smile I had on my face watching the last episode of It’s Okay to Not Be Okay

It’s Okay to Not Be Okay just ended this Sunday and I did a whirlwind marathon of the last episodes. 😍 Strong ending I think that satisfied most fans. I thought some episodes in the middle of the drama weren’t as strong, especially a few episodes that focused more on side characters then the three main leads, whom I absolutely love. Regardless of the few qualms I had about that, this is definitely going on my Top 3 drama list. Just an outstanding drama on every level, from the directing, the music, the acting, even the writing for the most part.

Mia Archeep (2020)

Mia Archeep (2020) I’ve watched 8 out of what looks to be 14 episodes and this is a solid lakorn. I’ve read some criticisms about the male lead Dit and him not trusting her, being overly possessive and so on and those are true. But the heroine Lada was lying to him and he finds out so for him to trust her now is a bit unrealistic as they’re a pretty new couple still. Dit did take advantage of Lada in basically forcing her to live with him, and I’m also looking askew at him talking about and acting like Lada is someone he can buy, but the reality is that Lada herself put herself in a position to be bought. I looked at Dit’s views and actions more as payback at Lada for hurting him rather than his actual beliefs on women.

Outside of this very familiar lakorn territory, I’m loving Lada’s fierce comebacks and sly smirks as she gives back as good as she gets. This is NOT standard lakorn territory. Lada is at once the standard sweet, good nang’ek, but she schemes and plots like a nang’rai to capture Dit’s attention at times. By the way, the couple have been for several episodes committed to dating each other, so while Lada was coerced by her employer into the relationship, they’ve also made a commitment apart from it to each other without coercion. Obviously, the whole relationship is based on coercion, so we shouldn’t overlook that and it is important, but I think on the whole, the lakorn does a good job of showing two people falling in love and getting to know each other better.

Prom Pissawat

Prom Pissawat looks to be 16 episodes long, and I’m 5 episodes in. Prom Pissawat is like that car accident that you can’t help looking at as you drive by. This is packed galore with so many standard lakorn or just drama cliches, the evil stepmom AND stepsibling (although she might be redeemable later), the abusive pra’ek who thinks all women are EVIL, the scheming women who try to thwart the main couple and on and on and on, gambling debt, forced kisses, etc.

There’s not really one area that really elevates this lakorn above the mediocre. I like the songs, the acting, eh to okay, characters same, storyline nothing new, and so on. I’ve left many a drama for worse. I was planning to drop this lakorn, yet, with some time on my hands, I watched another episode. Why? I don’t know.😀 So I may or may not continue this. But for what’s it worth, if you like the slap and kiss genre, the clingy and possessive male who chases the female, this is that drama.

The Romance of Tiger and Rose (2020)

I’m halfway through the 24 episodes of The Romance of Tiger and Rose (2020) and still loving it! The joy of a drama that pokes fun at itself! For those who don’t know, this cdrama is about a screenwriter who somehow ends up in her own story, so she puzzles at some of her choices she made like this side character she just invented to further the plot. It’s fun, it’s tongue in cheek and I love that we see the male lead chasing her, while she’s attempting to push him into the arms of the heroine of her story which isn’t her. Definitely worth the watch. I put this aside for a bit as it was still airing and picked it up again now to renewed love.

I’ve also got a pile of dramas I’ve put on hold or dropped or only watch sporadically that I don’t want to talk about now, so let’s go on to the plan to watch list.

Plan to Watch

So just about all the dramas I’ve talked about on this site are ones I plan on checking out, 😂, which is why I wrote about them in the first place, but these are ones I’ll probably write about.

Upcoming lakorn So Wayree (2020)

So Wayree (2020) This lakorn is finally airing August 14 and it’s one I’ve had my eye on for a long time! So I’m definitely going to check this out. It’s got secret babies, twins, hate to love relationship, you name it! Neko will be English subbing this! Yay Neko!

Synopsis: Two hotel moguls, once family friends since the grandparents generation now sworn enemies, are fighting over who will reign supreme. Prinoot never thought that he would be part of the hatred. Although his father is the son in law of Sirimontra, his mom was only a mistress who was abandoned in America. Growing up he never knew what having a father was like. Pramida is the only heiress to the famous Emporium real estate mogul. She was pulled into this warring game after being drugged and sent to Prinoot as ransom. 4 years later, she came back with a set of twins but she told everyone that those were her siblings. Prinoot and Pramida meet again but standing on opposite sides of the line as sworn enemies. Although they have the twins, not as chains of love but chains of enemies that tied them together unwillingly. (Source: asianfuse.net)

I enjoyed the first season and now Stranger 2 (2020) starts this week and I assume it will be airing on Netflix as well. The last season didn’t have any romance, so I suspect this one won’t either, however if you want to watch a good mystery/thriller drama, I would bank on this drama!

Synopsis: The prosecutor’s office and the police find themselves on opposing sides. The prosecutors, including elite prosecutor Woo Tae Ha, want discretionary power over investigations. Meanwhile, the police, including Choi Bit, tries to get complete investigative authority that is independent of the prosecutor’s office. Under this tense situation, Prosecutor Hwang Shi Mok and Detective Han Yeo Jin chase after the truth in a hidden case. (Source: AsianWiki)

What are you watching now? In the future?

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki

Meeting Monday – Age gap Romances

I’ve wanted to change up Mondays for a while, and finally have the time to do so. I’ll feature Music Mondays at times too, but I really wanted to use this space to just talk about different issues, dramas, lakorns, themes, or what not that’s caught my eye. This week, we have a number of age gap romances airing, namely Chun Cheu Bussaba (2020) and Count Your Lucky Stars (2020) so I thought today would be a great time to talk about Age Gap Romances, whether you hate them, love them or whatever, they’ve been a part of real life romances and fictional romances forever!

Age Gap Romances

This is a romantic relationship where there is a big difference in age between two lovers.

Tv Tropes

The age difference usually causes some raised eyebrows or disapproving comments from other characters in the story, like these: “He’s old enough to be your father!” — “You could be his mother or much… much older sister.”

Tv Tropes

First of all, let’s look at age gap dramas. Using the ‘age gap; tag on mydramalist, I was somewhat surprised to see that Thailand topped the list with 113 lakorns, South Korean dramas were 76, Japan had 68 doramas, and China had a measly 35 dramas. These include Goblin, I Hear Your Voice, My Mister, Eternal Love, Story of Yanxi Palace, Find YourselfKimi wa Petto, Koi wa Tsuzuku yo Doko Made mo, Coffee & Vanilla, Leh Ratree, Cubic, Ngao Asoke.

The infamous Cubic.

Older woman/younger man

Upcoming lakorn Dare To Love: Hai Ruk Pipaksais another older woman, younger man lakorn.

I’m not actually a fan of this trope because it seems like women mature faster then men in general, and thus unless the man isn’t a teenager anymore, it’s more unequal then the reverse, an older man, younger woman situation.

However, we do have many dramas that fall into that category, including Game Rak Ao Keun, I Hear Your Voice, Kimi wa Petto, Hotel del Luna as well as Eternal Love.

Fantasy dramas

Eternal Love couple looking pretty good for old geezers.

Another common element in fantasy dramas will be characters who are hundreds of years older then the other character. Often times, this age gap doesn’t really mean anything. I mean, in Eternal Love, the main character Bai Qian is much older then Ye Hua and brings up that age difference in the drama, but did the audience have a problem with it? Not that I’m aware of. These relationships can also be considered ‘May December’ relationships, where there is an extreme difference in age range.

Evaluating ‘age gap’ relationships

Looking at these dramas, I purposely selected dramas most of which I’ve seen or know enough about so I can really talk about them. You have a wide variance in age gap, like hundreds of years in Goblin and Eternal Love, since those are fantasies, to more realistic age gaps in other dramas of 10 or more years. But how many years difference is too much? And what part does being too young or too old play in it being acceptable or not? For example, in Cubic the romance is between a teenager (~17) and a mafia boss (~27 maybe). How old is too old (looking at Goblin’s 900 years old) and how young is too young?

Well, I would argue that we should look at age gap relationships within this context. What is an acceptable age will vary by culture, by decade, by country and therefore a 12 marrying a 51 yr guy in Kenya may strike you as wrong, but we should look at each situation carefully.

Photo by Joseph Redfield on Pexels.com

If a 12 year marrying a 51 year old guy in Kenya is awful, then what about a 14 year old girl marrying a 48 year in Ohio? The couple in Ohio is apparently still married 15 years later at the time of the article by the way. The couple? in Kenya was a result of the girl being forced into marriage. Which brings me to main premise.

In evaluating age gap relationships, I think we should ask questions, especially in regards to relationships where someone is underage or are still young adults. Is there an imbalance in power, is there any coercion involved in the relationship? Outside of that, are the participants mature and capable of making their own decisions? If they’re adults, what they deem acceptable is up to them as long as they’re the ones in charge of their own choices, not being coerced into a relationship. Regardless of the age difference, being forced into marriage like in the Kenya story is unacceptable. Full stop. So while age can be a concern, we also need to look at the issues and circumstances involved when evaluating such relationships, in dramas and in the real world.

What are your thoughts about age gap relationships? Do u like them or not?

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki

Monday Meeting

It’s been a while since I’ve had one of these posts. I thought I’ll talk about the blog and what’s going on in lakornland, so stay tuned if you’re interested.

lakornview

  • First, I want to point out it’s called lakornview with a reason. I do want to focus on lakorns, but also away from lakorns to other dramas, mostly from other countries. Basically, I want to write about things that engage me, interest me, which is lakorns sometimes, but also Japanese doramas, Chinese and kdramas and so on.
  • I will be changing the look of Lakornview as well.
  • Expect to see more content based on social issues in dramas, this is based on my interests such as on portrayal of working class here, COVID-19, or guns.
  • I want to post more, but possibly short clips, or things I find interesting.
  • Last, but not least, I want to post on Instagram, Facebook and maybe even YouTube? as well. We’ll see.
My Husband in Law (2020)

lakornland

  • Muse has basically got rid of their Telegram site and made their videos only accessible by those who donate (apparently it doesn’t matter how much). They are great subbers and apparently have been getting a lot of trolls now. Apparently they’re no longer subbing My Husband in Law (2020)!
  • It’s ridiculous that Muse and other subbers have to put up with this crap. Again, it makes me wish there was a official site that we go to see lakorns. Most sites aren’t available in US like dimsum.my and Netflix has a few, Youtube has GMM, but that’s about it.
  • But this all seriously impacts the availability of watching lakorns easily. Restricting access makes sites such as Dramac**l that steal subs more attractive to people. We want more people to watch lakorns so we garner more fans, so more of us can press for an official site.
  • Speaking of youtube, I just learned today that youtube has a Classic Thailand movie channel, just like there is a Korean Classic film channel.
  • The channel is called the Film Archive Thailand and has some movies with English subtitles, but not all content does have subtitles.
  • There are movies, short clips of movies, musical performances, interviews and even, ads from 50 years ago?
Source: Film Archive Thailand
  • There’s some weird stuff here, lol. I confess to being enchanted by this channel so far. (Or I just have to much time on my hands staying at home.) But see this clip, in the old fashioned silent era style of a ‘Banana Eater Heroine’? (see video below)
  • Also, Lovefia has some new impressions up of lakorns My Husband in Law (2020) and Leh Bunpakarn (2020) so check her out.
  • Neko did a year end review in March on the lakorns she’s subbed, so if you need something to watch, look it up here.
Source: Film Archive Thailand

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Music Monday

Historical lakorns, especially ones set back in ancient times, have often been overlooked and not subbed. The language used in these lakorns often made it harder to sub as well. That of course changed with 2018’s smash hit Bpoop Phaeh Saniwaat that garnered many fans. This week, I want to see what I can find out about any upcoming historical dramas, lakorns or not, of interest.

Credit: heathveeable’s yt

Khun Chai Ronapee (2013)

Synopsis: Khunchai Ronnapee…the daring pilot of the Royal Air Force with love that transcends customs. The youngest of the five, khunchai Taratorn’s younger brother. His mother is the First Wife. Who could believe that this noble pilot will meet a female celebrity? It was like a dream! She fell right into his arms during an accident on a film set. These two will break the traditions, and go through the barrier of nobility so that everyone will be certain than she is a dancer who loves him as another common pilot, not because of his nobility bloodline. credit to: Tinah @ asianfuse

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki

Monday Meeting – Remakes again?

I started my blog talking about remakes of kdramas in Thailand. The week of 10/20/2019 – 10/26/2019, I want to revisit that a little bit. But more importantly, I want to highlight patterns I see, connections between lakorns and other dramas. Really, connections anywhere. So fasten your seatbelts, folks, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

Credit: Channel 7

So here are two mvs of the opening songs of Khing Kor Rar Khar Kor Rang (2019) and Khing Kor Rar Khar Kor Rang (2006), I think I like the 2006 version better and it’s English subbed, so you can follow the lyrics.

Subs by choblingfansubs

Credits: mydramalist.com, asianfuse.net, asianfuse.wiki